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Post by Blue on May 26, 2016 7:27:46 GMT
Kindly unload your baggage here.
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Post by Wolfgang Stahlbergmann on May 26, 2016 7:47:27 GMT
- Wolfgang throwns down his CROSS coloured ribbon that proudly could been seen on his chest before. -
Wolfgang: "What? It doesn't match with the new uniform."
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Post by Blue on May 26, 2016 7:55:38 GMT
Lolz, Are we gunna do this OOC or as an RP? Because in that case things might get pretty savage.
Anyway, I'd first off like to just have everyone speak their minds & list exactly what has been bothering them.
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Post by Blue on May 26, 2016 9:14:45 GMT
Let me start off by raising my own opinion, & my opinion is that both of you are wrong & mainly for the same reasons, you are both guilty in my book. Raspberry, I agree with Tyranio, you do reuse allot of other peoples art to the point of redundancy. I'm not just talking about the character sheets you did because those actually serve a purpose, but in the same breath you complain constantly that you are bored & have allot of time on your hands. I have seen your work & I know for a fact that you have allot of untapped talent just waiting to be shown. If you honestly want people to take you more seriously I'd suggest you just find the motivation, conjure up a bit of discipline & determination & start doing art. I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT!!! You even have a tablet... do you know how badly I'd like a tablet again? but you are not using it, you don't wan't to commit yourself completely & instead stagnate & procrastinate, relying on rehashed content to make yourself apart of the project. I do appreciate your effort & your dedication, but for your own good I urge you to try and rise above it & start working on your own original content for the group. We all have problems & issues, I have ADHD & a bad back, but I have disciplined myself to always constantly strive to improve, work hard & reap the rewards. You just need to apply yourself... If I can do it, you sure as hell can too. I believe in you! Tyranio, Although I don't have a problem with your artwork, I do have a problem with the fact that a large percentage of your content is interchangeable with your other work, not only that but thusfar you haven't really bothered to incorporate anyone elses designs & characters into your own, this is after all one of the main gimmicks of the project, not only a chance to show off ones own characters but also to have a chance to see your own creations illustrated by others. I understand Wolfgangs character but you have gone to great lengths to alienate yourself from your faction. For story purposes I can undersand but inevitably in the long run this will eventually catch up to you & bite you in the arse. I honestly enjoy your art style, but I am left wondering how any of the other characters would look depicted by you. It is something I am honestly excited about & I am on the edge of my seat everythime you upload something only to fall back in despair to witness another rendition of the some drab grey blond haired gombostonian. As for both of you, I want you to have a look at Ironsage, Jailgurndegative & LeVlads, they have actually created characters tailor made for the GG Universe. While both of you & Trevor to a lesser extent use the same characters dragged along kicking & screaming from your own personal universes & crammed into this one. To save on time? Becaue you have strong attachments towards your characters? or due to a lack of faith in the project? Wolfgang has quickly become one of my favorite characters, I enjoy most of his scenes because he doesn't try to be "Nice", he doesn't try to be "Polite" he is what he is because that's the role he is meant to play, & F@#k everyone & everything who tries to get in his way. & Say what you may he has become a main character in the GG universe despite him still having trouble to commit to it. Anna is a WW2 Ace fighter pilot who is now a journalist & also head of the ministry of Propoganda in Madagascar who eerily resembles a CROSS state but at the same time isn't?... Not to mention she features in several different universes. I have actually seen people get confused over which version of her is which. Yet she has so much potential that is being squandered away because she refuses to get her hands dirty & idoly sits by on the sideline out of fear... I love both of these characters & I don't really have a problem with them, But I would honestly like it If you would both make distinct versions of them to be used strictly for the GG universe & in turn integrate them properly to the project. All the wormholes & alternate dimensions don't sit well with me at all... Finally, Both of you have a shoddy history together shrouded in conflict. I have tried addressing this in the past but with limited success. I am going to say this one more time... Anything done in RP, is Fair game, If you get buthurt over it then you should probably try to avoid that person in future, it's not like it's hard, I mean There are ALLOT of other character out there. Raspberry.. I am disappointed in you because even though you clearly don't like Wolfgang you went out of your way to feature him in a article... How exactly did you think this was going to turn out? what did you expect his response to be? You somehow frame him & Elena's relationship to be somekind of scandal while previously romanticizing your & Valentines relationship? You don't see any problem with that? & then going as far as claiming the CROSS HQ to have "LAX" security? Did you read through the entire RP? I can honestly not fault Tyranio for his response, I would have most likely responded in the same manner If I didn't find it humorous from the start (Which I did). But You could have just kept quiet & noted me about the matter. If your response was indeed RP I still support it, but you know at this stage to keep clear of Raspberry. You could have commented less harshly OOC to rectify the situation & avoid aggravating a hostile response, or perhapse just have taken it a bit more lightheartedly for the sake of avoiding conflict. Same goes for Raspberry. You know this was going to cause sh!t but you went ahead anyway, how am I supposed to defend this? Either way I am done repeating myself, If you two want to go ahead butting heads that's your deal, that's what I made this forum for. But Any of you leaving at this point will seriously place this project in major jeopardy... You are both hurting this project, & When you are hurting the project, you are in turn hurting me... I didn't spend almost every weekend from October last year creating this thing just so two members can tear it all apart over their petty bullsh!t. GET YOUR SH!T TOGETHER!!! www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGL-buZ94Y |
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Post by Wolfgang Stahlbergmann on May 26, 2016 13:29:22 GMT
OOC, just thought I make a joke about them burdens.
- I personally don't care what art she uses. Others, hers, used once, used a hundred times. I only mentioned it, as a punchline to her white knight in our argument. She makes a newspaper and player cards aka not really a player, but a co-contributor, as such they don't have much impact and thus don't really affect me.
- With that out of the way, back to me. Well I mostly don't star other people's work, because I don't have a chance or reason to do so. I did made the common art with Elena, because I had a reason to and would do more often, if I had that reason. The character's nature don't really flok much around him to begin with and I don't want to make forced scenes that has little to no sense. My character does everything over a map and a radio, so drawing him fighting with other's on the battlefield or personally attend to minor briefings over different areas of the front just to force these characters to a picture would be exactly that. Forced.
And that's one thing. The other is that even, if I would do so I would make the same issue that now occured. Some made up crap without confirmation that one way doesn't align with the mentioned character. I mean I can mimick another person's character, but it's a bit too hard to satisfy both side and remain true to it.
Still, I can do a few fan arts every now or then or somehow make other people's work appear, if it's that big of an issue.
- Moving on. As for the faction... Well I did wrote a short speech about themes, but better not exclaiming the obvious. I will try to tailor it closer to CROSS, but you honestly can't except a ww2 themed faction to fit in with a modern looking army. I can modernize my troops, but in style they will remain ww2 designed in the end, so they are going to be out of line either way.
- Back to raspberry. I think it's not me who should get his shit together.
She don't like my RP personality and perhaps my RL as well. Fine, I can totally see why. But then, why she is insisting always rubbing her stuff into my face and interacting with me? I don't remember really provoking her into response through my art, just react in comments (70-80% in character)
If someone can't RP, then leave the whole thing be.
" the residents of Gomboston awoke to find all the exterior building walls all around the country plastered with these horrific posters.
Someone had snuck into Gomboston overnight and done this awful deed........and vanished without a trace.
But WHO?
Is it a warning? Or someone merely playing a prank on the unsuspecting Gombostonians?"
Just to mention one... which again was something without even notifying me. Or all that banter how her fictional nation is superior in every way and how they would castrate everyone and all she has to show is a german flag with a white eagle, a cross and the nation's name on it. And this newspaper the latest.
I don't really in love with my fictional things, so people can insult it, poke to me, but at least let it make sense and talk to me first. I won't going to turn them away, as the whole game's base is conflict, but I had enough this immature "I made some shit up and prove it through some sort of deus ex machina way"... like a photographer in an empty corridor at a secret meeting in the middle of a mililtary base.
If this doesn't change the best thing I can do is to give the "Noted" treatment. If people want to get to me then do it right and probably with my cooperation or notification first... I might even give them ideas.
- Also side note. I'm tired of all the invisible people and all the bloody fucking lazy explanations out there.
Final word: I will try to make changes in thing's I'm concerned, but I won't going to take responsibility for other people's shit. Next time someone throwns down the gauntlet in an unacceptable way, it will be only noted.
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Post by Blue on May 26, 2016 17:17:49 GMT
To be honest I can't really argue with anything Tyranio is saying. I am sorry, maybe I am just like minded, but I find myself agreeing with everything stated here... I don't care If anyone calls it a "Circle jerk" or accuse me of being bias for whatever absurd reason, But I am not going to try to force blame to somewhere I don't think it's called for.
Say what you want but both of you have contributed to this project, & I would really not want to start comparing contributions as a means to determine whom's claim is more valid, because what are we? Animals?
But I have to stand firm in what I think isn't unreasonable. & I'd like to remind that BOTH of you have equal standing in my opinion & I do not think one particular way of thinking should be considered more acceptable based on merit...
Regarding the other matters.
"With that out of the way, back to me. Well I mostly don't star other people's work, because I don't have a chance or reason to do so. I did made the common art with Elena, because I had a reason to and would do more often, if I had that reason. The character's nature don't really flok much around him to begin with and I don't want to make forced scenes that has little to no sense. My character does everything over a map and a radio, so drawing him fighting with other's on the battlefield or personally attend to minor briefings over different areas of the front just to force these characters to a picture would be exactly that. Forced."
- Understood, but If I may just advise, that given the nature of your character, you should probably try to take advantage of opportunities presented. For instance, I would have loved to see your illustration of the Meeting in Your HQ, or even the events on the Airship could have served as quite interesting inspiration. You need to take em when They come, but as I said that's just my advise, do with it as you will.
"Moving on. As for the faction... Well I did wrote a short speech about themes, but better not exclaiming the obvious. I will try to tailor it closer to CROSS, but you honestly can't except a ww2 themed faction to fit in with a modern looking army. I can modernize my troops, but in style they will remain ww2 designed in the end, so they are going to be out of line either way."
- As I have mentioned before, I don't have a problem with your WW2 aesthetics & designs, I actually prefer it, I'm just saying notice your team mates from time to time, that's all. & Even though your character may be political, you still command military forces, It would of course be expected to on occasion at least draw a battlefield scene, I mean they still are your forces after all?
In conclusion, regarding everything else.
For the last time... I think at this stage enough damage has been done. from hereon out just avoid each other If you can't work things out, but I honestly doubt that would even be plausible now. Either way, neither of you have any reason to interact with each other, Raspberry not being an regular player & all.
The group is big enough for both of you to not need to interact.
But whoever aggravates the other in any way on the group is honestly just looking for trouble.
I'd also appreciate no one purposefully nudging toxic elements towards the group... I have worked long, & Hard on this project... & I will NOT stand for it...
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Post by Wolfgang Stahlbergmann on May 26, 2016 18:59:59 GMT
We'll see. I'm not trying to compete with anyone here (well aside the battles) and I'm not going to despise someone else's work, because it's different, but if someone's going to compare the two (like the previously mentioned gentleman) then I find myself breaking this little rule.
And just as I said that ignoration is just a last resort, not a solution. However to avoid that requires a different mindset to make it work... more OOC communication would be better, but we have this argument between ourselfs without her so far, so that'll maybe a vain desire. Still, I gave that idea a chance to the Evil Colonel, after my childish outburst. Well that didn't went well, but if both sides want it then even coexistence as mad rabid dogs is possible.
Truth to be told, I don't want to reply Noted to everything. If I get a fucking note before these personal project that "Hey I want to do that in this way. What do you think." the rexeption of this article could've been done better. If she would've read the RP from the start she might noticed it that there was plenty of other compromiting scenes done before public. I mean they went literally hand to hand out of the salloon.
Of course this thing is irrelevant as it's not that bloody important, but it's an example what could've been, if I get asked before. As I said, I'm not King Jong Un to be illegal to speak ill about me.
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Post by Blue on May 26, 2016 22:11:28 GMT
Well she won't be joining us either then, I was informed about traitorous activities & sabotage attempts committed by her where she actively discouraged members from participating in the group, she denied it at first until I presented evidence to which she admitted.
Needless to say she has been removed & blocked.
Now.. We can finally get back to why we are all in this group in the first place.
Good riddance...
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Post by Wolfgang Stahlbergmann on May 27, 2016 17:37:38 GMT
Human pettyness... and they say I have too much.
Oh well, so much for that. At least the reconquest of Madagascar is optional.
Toodle-loo then rasp.
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