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Apr 12, 2016 7:59:36 GMT
Post by Blue on Apr 12, 2016 7:59:36 GMT
Alright guys I just wanna start off by reminding everyone that this is still an RP & We shouldn't take anything that happens in it too seriously.
The biggest charm to a Crossover like this is after all, the Culture shock of placing two different sets of characters in the same realm to see how they react to each other.
THAT SAID
- Ravajava, You are in charge of the general Narrative here & it's your responsibility to drive the story forward.
However It would seem the group of characters we have selected seem to not exactly be the best match ever, but fear not, there is a way to fix it.
I personally think the selection is a little lobsided & uneven, Anna & Valentine are obviously bias towards Blue, with them already having a pre-established friendship. That's all fine & Dandy but when The Local hosts pile onto the bandwagon it starts getting gratuitously one sided, to the point of it plain & simply just not being fun.
Secondly, Witty banter is great, but Telling someone repeatedly to "Shut up" completely defeats the purpose of having a RP in the first place.
Also, engaging in physical confrontation & by placing another persons character at the mercy of yours in an reply isn't exactly something that anyone likes, even though it may ad to the entertainment value to the onlookers neither party comes off well in such situations (I am guilty of this too I understand but I'd like to keep it to a minimum from hereon out)
Also, You all need to try & Understand the others characters & try to deal with them in a way that isn't completely going to antagonize Them, this just results in constant conflict that keeps the story back & just ends in relentless dick-swinging contest, Yes I am also guilty of this, but to be fair up until now It has basically just been in self defense.
Valentine turned out to be completely the opposite to what I had originally pictured him as, so I am still recalculating my expectations.
But I think I can safely say that we have all established that Valentine is a dirty glorified Pirate trying to pass himself off as a Gentlemen while Alice is a uncultured cockney Barbarian savage that thinks she can walk over anyone... But that's just it.
I will admit, Recently I may have been using the Thread as a means of getting my rage-o-meter full before CoD matches, but that was wrong, but we also have to start thinking smart here, She is just that, Maybe had I brought Edwin along instead, the interactions may have been allot different with him clinking glasses with Valentine & cracking dry jokes, but I didn't, Alice is just that, & If anyone had red the comic you'd know exactly what type of personality she is, (If you hadn't picked it up by now). & anyone expecting her to miraculously grow some manners are in for a hard time.
Java I am really looking forward to the rest of the story, I am actually excited to see what is going to happen further allong the line, but something has to be done to Give them some manner of common ground. I don't wanna sound like a d1ck but in a universe with a physical manifestation of a F#%king GOD & with societies so civilized & cultured to the point of them coming off as entitled & ontop of that claiming 19th century weapons is just as effective as high powered lasor & high velocity assault rifles is ridiculous.
So could we all just please get pass this & move on?
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Apr 12, 2016 8:31:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 8:31:04 GMT
But how exactly can we move from this dead spot? I mean, alright, we want the RP to move on and keep on going with what Rava initially intended for us, but I can't just "re-wire" Valentine's brain and change his personality in a second (RP time).
I admit that I am using him for virtually all RPs I have participated in and he can be serious, comic, melancholic... depends on the kind of the setting. But I can't suddenly change him once the things started rolling. That is the problem I am facing here.
Honestly, I've been enjoying this so far (not in the masochistic way though XD) and it would be a shame to leave it like this.
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Apr 12, 2016 8:35:12 GMT
Post by Blue on Apr 12, 2016 8:35:12 GMT
Don't worry, I got this then.
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Apr 12, 2016 14:09:40 GMT
Post by Rashn Rasmankar on Apr 12, 2016 14:09:40 GMT
Ignoring the fact that early and mid 20th century weapons are just as effective as any modern or prospective future firearm designs. It's part of a big problem the Pentagon his having replacing the M16... The optics keep getting better, but we're still using the 8mm Mauser cartridge from 1905 for a reason... Wait, ignoring, ignoring. I see your point. I thought you were trying to keep things on edge  I'm just trying to give the Arcean's as a base point because they are probably going to be most relatable the players behind the characters. But if we could get everyone to calm down, I've got a good scenario in mind that involves moving away from Arcea. |
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Apr 12, 2016 14:26:40 GMT
Post by Blue on Apr 12, 2016 14:26:40 GMT
Ignoring the fact that early and mid 20th century weapons are just as effective as any modern or prospective future firearm designs. It's part of a big problem the Pentagon his having replacing the M16... The optics keep getting better, but we're still using the 8mm Mauser cartridge from 1905 for a reason... Wait, ignoring, ignoring. I see your point. I thought you were trying to keep things on edge I'm just trying to give the Arcean's as a base point because they are probably going to be most relatable the players behind the characters. But if we could get everyone to calm down, I've got a good scenario in mind that involves moving away from Arcea. - Ehem - You dear sir, may have overlooked a few factors. First off, GG is placed in the 39th century, Firearms have evolved over 4 goddamn apocalypses, Not to mention combatants in the GG universe use much tougher body armor & generally has more high tech equiptment... STAR even has bloody kinetic barrier shields!, Don't even get me started on different ammo's, ranging from nonlethal Shock rounds aaaaal the way to mutherf@#king Incendiary rounds, top that with advanced sights, more complex triggering mechanisms & over all stronger materials used to allow for reduced recoil, better accuracy & larger ammo capacity & stronger ammunition types, less prone to overheating, increased durability etc. Yes I suppose If you were to take a standard firearm from both universes & conducted a test by shooting at a puppy, where US weapons would leave you with maybe half a puppy, GG Weapons would reduce said puppy into a Red Stain on the ground... Sure, overkill maybe, I mean they both get the job done, they both killed the thing & undoubtedly would kill an unprotected person no problem. But calling them "Just as effective" could be the wrong term if said weapons had to perform against a variety of different targets with varied amounts of armor & cover. I mean The standard CROSS LMG can cleave straight through your standard brick wall If you just used FMJ ammo. Mothermofo, you chose this setting for your universe! |
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Apr 12, 2016 14:41:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 14:41:03 GMT
Well, I'm still curious to find out what Rava has in store for us 8Đ Also... Please get me out of that strange land where strange people act strangely! I'll even take off my boots, damnit!  |
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Apr 12, 2016 15:37:17 GMT
Post by Rashn Rasmankar on Apr 12, 2016 15:37:17 GMT
Ignoring the fact that early and mid 20th century weapons are just as effective as any modern or prospective future firearm designs. It's part of a big problem the Pentagon his having replacing the M16... The optics keep getting better, but we're still using the 8mm Mauser cartridge from 1905 for a reason... Wait, ignoring, ignoring. I see your point. I thought you were trying to keep things on edge I'm just trying to give the Arcean's as a base point because they are probably going to be most relatable the players behind the characters. But if we could get everyone to calm down, I've got a good scenario in mind that involves moving away from Arcea. - Ehem - You dear sir, may have overlooked a few factors. First off, GG is placed in the 39th century, Firearms have evolved over 4 goddamn apocalypses, Not to mention combatants in the GG universe use much tougher body armor & generally has more high tech equiptment... STAR even has bloody kinetic barrier shields!, Don't even get me started on different ammo's, ranging from nonlethal Shock rounds aaaaal the way to mutherf@#king Incendiary rounds, top that with advanced sights, more complex triggering mechanisms & over all stronger materials used to allow for reduced recoil, better accuracy & larger ammo capacity & stronger ammunition types, less prone to overheating, increased durability etc. Yes I suppose If you were to take a standard firearm from both universes & conducted a test by shooting at a puppy, where US weapons would leave you with maybe half a puppy, GG Weapons would reduce said puppy into a Red Stain on the ground... Sure, overkill maybe, I mean they both get the job done, they both killed the thing & undoubtedly would kill an unprotected person no problem. But calling them "Just as effective" could be the wrong term if said weapons had to perform against a variety of different targets with varied amounts of armor & cover. I mean The standard CROSS LMG can cleave straight through your standard brick wall If you just used FMJ ammo. Mothermofo, you chose this setting for your universe! Since I can't deny that I find such contests incredibly fun, everything you are talking about isn't more advanced than Unus Solum. Outside of the kinetic barrier shields(which doesn't matter because STAR isn't here), nothing you've mentioned is better at killing. It's just against the Geneva Convention. Unus Solum doesn't have a Geneva Convention either. If you've ever wondered why the Arcean's have a hard on for revolving and rotary fed weapons, it's that. Standard magazines can only take a given munition type (except for Shotgun magazines, but they don't like taking the wrong cartridge), a rotary or revolving weapon doesn't care so long as its the correct diameter. Hence, you have the Arcean's having access to SLAP, HE, Incendiary, HEDP and KEP rounds within a rifle or automatic rifle. It's expensive, takes a longer time to produce, but the end results are worth it if you have the time and money. Other factions have their own answers, usually involving shotguns, but those come with a host of other issues. As far as the advancement that are otherwise mentioned, they are noteworthy, they make the weapons easier to live with or maintain I imagine, but no better at actually taking down an enemy. Yes, you could reduce a puppy to a red stain with a WW2 era Luftwaffe survival shotgun, or a 19th century 2 bore big game gun. But that simply isn't practical for infantry combat. And now you have me not ignoring that comment. XD I know this discussion isn't exactly practical, but I find it to be incredibly interesting none the less Anyways, I'll start slowly moving things into the great wide world, don't worry. Valentine will get his boots back very soon. |
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Apr 12, 2016 16:46:01 GMT
Post by Blue on Apr 12, 2016 16:46:01 GMT
Rotary weapons, regardless of size, to the point of it being impractical, can only hold THAT many rounds, & even with an reloading aid of some sort still take unpractical long to reload. (Imagine you are being fired upon & your cover is being shredded by the second, Reloading that thing is going to be a nightmare, especially if said soldier is busy pissing themselves & Rattling with Fear. & only after that, how many bullets are you gunna have? 6? 12? 32? After that rotating magazines just start looking weird.
MOST GG weapons are belt fed or have some kind of drum mag, & If what you say is true & we where to assume both weapons are firing the same caliber with the same stopping power & the same design, It has been proven, the side that can send the most bullets down range 9 out of 10 times is usually the victor. Unless you are not some darn environmentalist or your government is stingy on resources, that's ten dozen more bullets heading towards an Arcean in the same time it takes for him to empty 1 mag. & If what you say is true & both those weapons bullets hold the same killing power, it only takes at the very least 1 or 2 hits to take him out of action.
"Oh but ammo conservation & Arceans are super accurate" - Lets put that aside, lets get down to the brass tax here, lets ignore the marksman & lets ignore the economics of it all. If we look at THE WEAPONS THEMSELVES, Sure alright, I may not be able to go up to a box of singles & just reload out of the crate, for a guy with a drum mag that will be an absolute nightmare, but F$%king serves him right not to preload his sh!t the lazy wanka! So I'll give the Arceans that... they can go up & continue fighting & reloading straight from a crate of singles. Also, yes, I suppose their ammo supplies would also last allot longer, not to mention the miss to kill ratio will be right up there unless the Crusader fires into a crowd. So If you got a large army & Ammo is an issue. then yes, Arceans for the win. But then again most GG weapons would have multiple firing modes, so when ammo is low, you could easily convert it into a semi automatic with a MASSIVE reserve of ammo instead of reloading every 12 shots.
But 1 on 1 If we had to look at the raw killing power... Hello? I mean... pff... The Arcean will be swiss cheese before he can land a hit.
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Apr 12, 2016 17:53:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 17:53:38 GMT
The testosterone is killing me. I need a bloody drink.  |
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Apr 12, 2016 18:59:32 GMT
Post by Rashn Rasmankar on Apr 12, 2016 18:59:32 GMT
The testosterone is killing me. I need a bloody drink. Yeah, this is what happens when Catz and I are in the same room for too long But back to pointless technical talk The M1805, Ke-2 (Arcea and Karelia's two primary battle rifles respectively) and similar weapons of US2 are capable of fully automatic fire. I'd compared them more to a controllable M14 in terms of what they ought to be like to fire, if a real world counterpart will provide you any context. If GG weapons are belt fed or drum magazine fed, then they'll be heavy and unwieldy. Simply because ammo is heavy and takes up space. If they aren't heavy, then the ammo will have no stopping power and range and will still be clunky to carry. PHYSICS. That's why you have different kinds of members of a rifle squad, or in US's case, an echelon. You need riflemen for their robustness, grenadiers for dealing with fortified positions, automatic riflemen for suppressing, ammo bearers to keep the auto riflemen going, and recoil-less riflemen to deal with light armor. Not to mention special weapons and/or machine gun detachments. US certainly has belt fed weapons taking up individual places within this order. The standard battle rifle just happens to use a rotary magazine, because that allows for the most robust number of ammunition types. As far as magazine capacity, you haven't seen the funky SAW version of the M1805 yet. But once you get to a wider hypothetical Crusader v Air Marine Battlefield/deadliest warrior scenario, lots more questions start popping up... Who has what supports, the weather, the terrain. I have the feeling that in a more int |
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Apr 12, 2016 20:41:48 GMT
Post by Blue on Apr 12, 2016 20:41:48 GMT
Light Wheight metals, Heat resistant Plastic, & enhanced Powder propellants  . You know... Cuz that's one of the advantages of being from the frigg'n future, I'm sure If they have managed to conjur up a physical manifestation of frigg'n GOD, I'm sure some future folks can make some guns out of lightweight materials. |
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Apr 12, 2016 22:08:31 GMT
Post by Rashn Rasmankar on Apr 12, 2016 22:08:31 GMT
In the TSG-X2, a range of only 200m and for a firing rate of only 842rmp? All of it weighing only a kilo less than an M416 carbine which out performs it in every capacity? Are you sure you're from the future?
And for an extra kilo you could have an MG36 which would out perform the TCR-44 is every way as well. And in this case, significantly so.
If that's what they have in GG, then US may be more advanced XD
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Apr 12, 2016 23:16:28 GMT
Post by Rashn Rasmankar on Apr 12, 2016 23:16:28 GMT
 #realtalk M1805 Mk.II For 4kg in BR and 3.5 as Mountain Carbine, you'll get: 800 meter effective range, 1200 with optics. 750 rpm A quick swap barrel A 16 round internal magazine or 96 rounds from the ESW exterior magazine. And, unlike the TCR-44, that ESW mag can be loaded by an assistant gunner as the mag is side loaded. That extra weight? Extra mass to use the weapon as a bludgeon and to make full auto fire manageable while standing. Ke-3 For 2.8 kg 550 meter effective range 700 rpm A 25 round magazine. A great little reliable carbine. Beyr M1812 For 2.3 kg 200 meter effective range 900 rpm 30-75 rounds from either a standard or SAW magazine And the Beyr "It'll fire reliably while in a sandstorm, underwater, while on fire, all at the same time!" guarantee. All of these stats being based off a range of late 1950's weapons. Up your game GG! |
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Apr 13, 2016 5:05:00 GMT
Post by Blue on Apr 13, 2016 5:05:00 GMT
To be honest, I just didn't want to come off as OP so I actually practice something you'd call restraint for the sake of "Sportsmanship" I guess?
200m Effective range, that doesn't say the bullets just miraculously drop to the ground after said distance had been reached, i MEAN LOOK AT YOUR M1812, it's got basically the exact frigg'n stats with a meager handful of rounds... So wtf exactly are you trying to pull?
It's strange that your weapons are eerily starting to resemble mine... just saying... To the point where it's honestly pointless comparing them considering they are basically just older clunkier versions of GG guns.
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Apr 13, 2016 5:11:20 GMT
Post by Sharsinn Von Lark on Apr 13, 2016 5:11:20 GMT
A 200 meter effective range implies that a trained soldier isn't likely to hit the broad side of a barn, and that if he did, it wouldn't actually damage a human target in a meaningful way. Also, quick change barrel and side loaded magazine in the ESW variant means more rounds down range, at a longer distance. I also think you do yourself a disservice with your second comment. You've clearly gone out of your way to make fun, original designs and you're saying my Forgotten Weapons kitbash is similar |
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I'm just trying to give the Arcean's as a base point because they are probably going to be most relatable the players behind the characters. But if we could get everyone to calm down, I've got a good scenario in mind that involves moving away from Arcea. 
